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Jade Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.05 18:51:00 -
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I intend to be at today's memorial proceedings in person where I will speak some words of my own on the events at Malkalen and the wider context of Caldari State political affiliations since the Wandering Saint was driven into the Ishukone Corporate Headquarters in Malkalen.
Otro Gariushi was man of many shades, some brighter than others, but the one best remembered by the Star Fraction was the gift of Insorum to Maleatu Shakor at the begining of the Elders War of liberation to recover their long enslaved kinsmen in Amarr-dominated space.
This is man who was a friend to the Matari and at the last act of his life a friend to freedom and martyr to the cause of liberation.
I am coming to Malkalen this evening to personally ask questions of John Revenent and the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive. I wish to clarify this organization's stance through public discussion and clear announcement of their relations with the Imperial Imperialist reclaimer alliance CVA.
For the deeds of Ishukone-Raata are fresh in the minds of Free Captains of Star Fraction and we remember well the role these pilots played in the Climatic Battle of Space and Freedom IV where they supported Sev3rance alliance and Old Providence against us in Kamela system in the wake of the Misan Pal'taek corp theft. We lost several crews in battle against this organization that was fighting then for the greater glory and submission to the Amarrians in Providence and named themselves friend to neither Matari or Freespace interests.
If it is true that Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive is honest in its desire to put past mistakes and foul affiliations behind them, then the Star Fraction stands ready to forgive past transgressions and extend the hand of friendship tonight.
But if false pride and doublespeak demand that no such statement is uttered at Malkalen this evening. Then blood will flow, because we will not see the truth of Gariushi's sacrifice and gift besmirched by those carrying the stink of imperialist slavery fresh on their name and reputation.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/05/2010 02:26:09
 Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Funnily enough, I did choose the first option, and was asked to convey that Jade wished to meet John in space, so that John could repeat their position in local.
No ms Starsparrow. I was very explicit in the message I asked you to deliver and the bargain I promised. If John Revenent had clearly disavowed his support and association with the CVA I would have granted a reset of standings and retraction of the war then and there as I told you.
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John refused to divert attention away from memorial beforehand, and when he undocked, in a shuttle, he was fired upon.
He undocked in a Raven Class battleship with several neutrals providing remote shield transfer actually.
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How is that fighting for freedom? Again I say, we will never end slavery if this is how you treat those that attempt to move away from it.
Thats the problem ms Star Sparrow. We don't believe John Revenent and Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive have broken with their association to the Slavers of CVA.
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You're actions were actually oddly appropriate for this memorial. An action based on hate, costing innocents their lives, with no purpose other than to continue an aggression that was on the verge of ending.
We were attacked by Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive while they served the CVA in Providence. In order for hostilities to end they need to convince us they no longer serve our enemies. This is quite straightforward.
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The more you speak, the more you discredit SF , Jade Constantine, and the ideals SF claims to uphold. . My respect for Ms. Constantine has increased over the last few days, while my respect for SF, and for you in particular, is dropping rapidly.
Then ask your questions ms Starsparrow and they will be answered. This matter is crystal clear. If any doubt remains let us vanguish it here in the light of reasoned discussion.
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They are not allowed to announce the resetting of standings with CVA unless they also announce it to Star Fraction in local space during a memorial. What choice would Star Fraction have made if the tables were turned? Who is the slaver here?
It is by no means clear that Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive have ended their association with the CVA. I don't believe they have. I am yet to be convinced. The words and actions they have placed on record leave me full of doubts over their independence and character.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/05/2010 03:11:42
Originally by: Akai Tsumi
Yet you still removed your fleet and retracted war. That very much looked like you accepted your loss.
We executed your executor and paid our respects at the memorial. That is all the wardec was designed to accomplish on this occasion. On the next occasion perhaps we will look to a longer term offensive since it is looking increasingly unlikely that hostility will end between us.
Originally by: Akai Tsumi
Isn't that convenient that dozens of I-RED pilots were gathered in one system. If only you had a fleet twice as big as you had, you would most likely stay and fight.
Smacktalk is not becoming a member of an alliance who hid cravenly inside a station for an hour whilst outnumbering your foes and listening to your Executor being terminated at space outside. You undocked only when I told you in local coms you could undock, and that was when our business was accomplished and we set course for home.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Then ask your questions ms Starsparrow and they will be answered. This matter is crystal clear. If any doubt remains let us vanguish it here in the light of reasoned discussion.
Is there something wrong with my datapad?
I think there may be. I'm certainly not clear on your questions. Perhaps you could clearly restate them?
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Posted - 2010.05.07 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
You want me to just copy/paste things out of context? or do I really need to repeat everything I have said? My questions are the ones with the question marks behind them. Though the fact that you completely ignored my last post and are now asking me to repeat every question i have asked of Cosmo, and of you is all the answer I need. I will continue this discussion with you in person with you if you wish, or not at all.
I did read back through the thread and I noticed a couple of rhetorical questions but as I said they weren't very clear to me. Hence asking you to clarify.
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: John Revenent
Originally by: Jade Constantine
We executed your executor and paid our respects at the memorial. That is all the wardec was designed to accomplish on this occasion. On the next occasion perhaps we will look to a longer term offensive since it is looking increasingly unlikely that hostility will end between us.
So either way from the sounds of that I was to be executed no matter the outcome.. lets hope it was a missplacement of words otherwise you are more of a savage then I first thought, as for the rest it is only unlikely because you choose to push your will onto us instead of taking the easy route.
As you know from our discussions on the evening John Revenent I offered you the means to resolve this matter peacefully. The wardec was a contingency against you being too stubborn or otherwise unable to foreswear your associations with the CVA.
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Posted - 2010.05.08 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
The means you offered to resolve this peacefully was John undocking before the memorial and denouncing slavery and CVA. After was not acceptable, neither was the night before. Only by beginning the memorial service with a repetition of statements he has already made was the matter to be resolved. I have been wracking my brain trying to figure out why that was so important to you. I can come up with only two reasons.
1) your ego is more important than people's lives or your ideals
2) You intended to execute him when he undocked at my behest, meaning you weren't negotiating in good faith.
Since all of my other questions seem too complicated for you to answer either in public or in private, let make it as clear as I can. Which is it?
Neither.
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Posted - 2010.05.08 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Then why?
We believe it was inappropriate for John Revenant's organization to stage that memorial without publicly disavowing their shameful past service with the CVA. It really is quite simple.
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Posted - 2010.05.08 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
I see, so you decided what was appropriate regarding a Caldari memorial in Caldari space for the Caldari people. Got it.
When we say the Free Captains acknowledge no borders or territory and will go where we choose and say what we believe without restriction or submission to territorial conceit we mean it. And our foes should learn this lesson well.
There is a price to be paid for aggressing Free Captains in open space at the orders of territorial authority figures whether imperialist Amarrian's or xenophobic nationalists of other creeds.
John Revenent authorized aggression against the Free Captains of the Star Fraction engaged in a campaign to support our allies in the Ushra'khan and free Matari opposing slavery in Providence. He was given the option to make peace and renounce the evil associations that had tainted his name. He refused and died for it. In the future The Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive will continue to pay a price for their deeds until such time they make fitting restitution for their crimes.
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Posted - 2010.05.08 23:26:00 -
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Outrageous lies told by pilots with no previous posting history!
Say it isn't so!
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Posted - 2010.05.09 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
So, according to Jade who posted that conversation, he did actually make the statement you wanted him to, and he did so in public.
No he didn't and I'll thank you not to post "according to jade" in a dishonest fashion.
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Why do you continue claiming he refused to do so? The only thing he did not do, was interrupt his memorial service. Again I ask you : why was so important to you? Was it your ego? Or were you not negotiating in good faith?
You have had the answers. Clear spoken. At this point we are simply going round in circles. Outcome is that Annwn Matari have ended up with a -10 standing towards the Star Fraction to go alongside the isk-rats and John Revenent. I imagine in time we will see you space.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: BrishanDarksoul
Read the logs he did break all ties with CVA and renounce them in public and you all still blew him up.
No he did not. He uttered mealy-mouthed evasions and refered to unconvincing galnet statements where he absolutely did not renounce his ties to the CVA. A hostile entity will cease to become -10 to us when we accept their diplomatic approaches and inform them we have changed their standing. On this occassion it is clear we did not accept his statement as meeting our terms hence he remained hostile and was fired upon.
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I'm looking at the logs as posted by Jade right now and it's clear as day
No it is not.
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though what else is clear as day is that your alliance is full of people who are so blinded by their belief that they are the only ones who are right that no one else possibly could be.
You sound exactly like some other people who have posted in this thread. And I mean exactly. Strange isn't it.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Originally by: Fridarey
You know your corp used to be in FCON right? A -10 enemy of the Star Fraction because it was a CVA pet. What are you trying to pull here. More slaver lies?
Anything said by someone who is or was an ally of CVA is an intentional lie.
Anything said by someone who is or was a supporter of The Star Fraction is the absolute and complete truth.
That's some great logic! 
Well Amarrian Nationalists are not renowned for telling the truth you know. And a slithery ex FCON pilot making murky accusations he can't back up posting in support of a slithery CVA-era providence pet alliance that is whining pitifully about having their executor blown up at a memorial in just retribution for his alliance's earlier aggression against the Free Captains.
If it hisses and slithers like a snake it probably is. And CVA-era Providence had plenty of snakes to go round.
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2010.05.09 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nooblog
Jade and Co. Are you that blind or do you think the public is to not see how much hippocrates you are?
I too like being insulted on galnet by a man who clearly doesn't understand what the words he uses actually mean.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jev North
This is still going on..? My word.
If it's not just about GalNet spotlight time, I can't for the life of me figure out what the Star Fraction wants out of this -- or rather, I can't really square their stated goals with the means used to achieve them.
It will go on as long as the Isk-rats and their Amarrian friends can manufacture false-flag galnet supporters I imagine (or they get bored) because frankly at the moment this is the best publicity imaginable for the Star Fraction movement and don't imagine we'll let it drop. The weeping and complaining from Amarrian collaborators and regressive nationalists is precious to us. No surprise (judging from your earlier posting) that you cannot understand our stated goals and means to achieve them Jev North - to do so would require a little reading and independent mindset.
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Obtain a sincere statement at gunpoint, or change men's hearts through sheer force of arms? I hope the Fraction, whose mouths run over with talk of the indomitability of the spirit, at least privately sees that it'll be kind of hard to do.
We don't have a great deal of respect for nationalists in the first place. And lets not mistake precisely what was being expected of I-RED here. We had them red flagged which means they were targets anywhere and anytime. Executing their vessels at a public memorial represent (and will now continue to represent) prime engagement opportunities for us. But we were asked as a favour to consider withdrawing the war and allowing this ceremony to pass without incident. We said we'd do this if I-RED made crystal clear they had no links with and were prepared to publicly disavow the CVA slavers of old Providence. This was not a negotiation between equals or business transaction. We have valid casus beli and we were asked to grant peace to a foe. This time the request for peace came with the requirement we stated.
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Holding I-RED up to standards even Gariushi didn't live up to seems a bit overdone, and denying that people who're somehow imperfect in your eyes are allowed to feel loss, or commemorate it, seems like another one of those pesky violations of core human values. Funny - I suppose that if you wanted a dramatic deathbed conversion out of John Revenent, that at least explains why you ordered his ship destroyed.
There is no great mystery here:
A -10 organization wanted a ceasefire so it could hold a memorial in peace (for its own PR benefits)
We named our price for the ceasefire
The price was not paid
John Revenent died.
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If it's all just retaliation for previous conflict in the Providence area, well, that would at least make sense - but then everything else is just Fraction spin, isn't it? Given the timing of the declaration, and actions taken during it?
One can take vengeance on an enemy at the same time one makes a political point. The two actions are not mutually-enclusive.
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So much spit and otherwise perfectly good quantum-entangled particle pairs wasted on this. While you could be shooting actual slavers, too.
We killed quite a few slavers earlier this evening. But in our eyes Isk-rats are the servants of slavers and the next best thing. If they truly wished to sever their reputation from their dark past they wouldn't have had such a problem with publicly disavowing the CVA would they?
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Posted - 2010.05.09 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor
So you are renowned for telling the truth?
I don't think so.
Most I think will see this how it is; a propaganda ploy.
And where is this pitiful whining you speak of? I only see pitiful attempts to save face.
I believe amongst non-amarrian lickspittal turncoats my reputation is entirely healthy.
Of course its a propaganda ploy. Everything is politics. Who thought for a moment it was not? But that doesn't contradict the facts of the matter. -10 organization wanted to run a memorial for its PR benefit (propaganda) we considered it an unseemly use of dead man's name. We were asked to withdraw the wardec and we named our price the public disavowal of relations with the CVA. Our terms were refused. What better way to unite our own memorial for the fallen with a penetrating critique of John Revenent's organization than to execute him at the height of the proceedings to remind him that Star Fraction will always be prepared to intervene in such matters than there are consequences to serving the slavers of old providence?
As for the whining - we have six pages of this thread the last several entirely full of no-name false-flag hand-wringers and amarrian bloc crawlers trying to deconstruct the basis of a justified killing on the flimsiest pretence and mangled logic.
I take pleasure in the angst this bright deed of execution has caused in the amarrian bloc and courts of various nationalist hangers on.
Can't wait to do it again.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor
Since you've brought up how Star Fraction is anti-government, what do you have to say about your temporary and false friendship with the Minmatar of the Republic?
Do your own homework and research our declarations at the beginning of Operation Castrato. There is no answer to a dishonest question that has meaning in debate.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nooblog
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Nooblog
Jade and Co. Are you that blind or do you think the public is to not see how much hippocrates you are?
I too like being insulted on galnet by a man who clearly doesn't understand what the words he uses actually mean.
No need to understand, the definition is clearly translated through the context from the words of the Star Fraction.
Keep spinning.
Do you mean to say that you consider the entire Star Fraction is founded on the principles of hippocrates? Do you think its almost like we have sworn a collective ... well, perhaps we could say hippocratic oath then?
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Posted - 2010.05.09 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/05/2010 18:41:04
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
This is not why we were set to -10 though. That would have made sense. We were set to negative ten because I had the temerity to catch Jade in a lie. And now you too lie. It was never my intention to make Star Fraction look bad but you can't seem to help yourselves.
You were set -10 KOS because you declared war on the Star Fraction. Though your behaviour here has been pretty damning and you've continuously lied yourself the fact of the matter is that you wardecced the Fraction and were set -10 for it.
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I too have a problem with liars, especially those that would hurt the cause of freedom with their lies. I have not whined, I have not made accusations, I have not lied, I have not threatened.
You have whined.
You have made false accusations.
You have continuously lied.
You wardecced the Fraction.
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The Star Fraction are not content with ruining their image, they make all anti-slavery organizations look bad.
Not that you would know collaborator. Enjoying working with the CVA's front organization I-RED. It is telling the only support you've had on this thread has been from turncoats, betrayers, race-traitors and dodgy-looking false flag identities seemingly conjured up from the depths of space to bellyache some more.
You asked me to withdraw a wardec we placed against I-RED in diplomatic discussions.
I told you this:
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[ 2010.05.05 03:56:30 ] Jade Constantine > If John Revenent presents himself in space tomorrow at the Malkalen Memorial and meets with me ship to ship in full view of those gathered at the proceedings, and thereby declares in local that Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive is severing bonds with the CVA and the regressive imperialism of the Amarrian Empire and asks for peace from the Star Fraction I will give it and withdraw the wardec then and there.
John Revenent refused to meet these terms.
He was executed.
End of story.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Actually, Jade told us.
If you fought half as well as you cough out incoherent nonsense on the IGS then I might have a micron of respect for you. But you will do nothing but continue blowing windy rhetoric with no foundation until you burn yourself out. I despise cowards Sophie Starsparrow. You are moving close to Archbishop territory right now in the stakes of noise without substance.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
*laughs and shakes her head*
Either you falsified logs, or you lied, either way, the discussion is over. You know where to find me.
You are claiming we didn't have that discussion now?
You claim you didn't ask me to remove the wardec from I-RED the night before?
You claim I didn't speak those words to you?
You really are nosediving into suicide-spiral. The discussion will be over when I say it is or you run away and hide under a rock with the other invertibrates.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/05/2010 18:26:32
[ 2010.05.05 20:32:58 ] John Revenent > We are not slavers.
I once met an Amarrian who told me that slavery was supposed to reclaim the souls of minmatar children for heaven. I didn't believe that either.
I told you the words that John Revenent needed to speak if he wanted peace with the Star Fraction and he was not prepared to speak them.
You might be prepared to accept any word that slips from the mouth of this deceitful man but we are not. We asked for a clear denunciation and disavowal of allegience to the CVA. It was not forthcoming. I don't care what else he said, he refused to make the statement we required of him.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Yes. I told you days ago that was understandable. You and your pilots then proceeded to lie
What are you claiming we lied about precisely?
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.. accuse and threaten those opposed not only to slavery
We don't believe you are.
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... but proponents of an anarchistic society.
This I can believe, anarchy is a terrible thing to an Amarrian collaborator.
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I have tried to excuse myself from this discussion for awhile now but, apparently, it only ends when you say it does? For your sake, say it's over.
You managed to "excuse" yourself for about 15mins. It will end when I say it does. You will not get the last word with your lies here Sophie Starsparrow.
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Posted - 2010.05.09 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nooblog
snipped the usual lot of nonsense from I-RED supporters repeated and already addressed
Go back and read what I've said.
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U'K even posted in a transmission saying how disappointed they are in you with this current action.
Ushra'khan declared themselves disappointed with our killing of John Revenent? I haven't been informed. I'd have thought one of their diplomats would have been in touch at least. Or are you making up things again?
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Admitting fault and wrong can sometimes be the true strength of a good leader. This about your only way out of this.
Tell that to John Revenent. We are entirely content with the current status of viewing I-RED and their pilots -10 KOS for their history of aggression against the Star Fraction while they were serving the Slavers of the CVA.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Since I have been called a liar repeatedly by Star Fraction, let me point out just one of the lies SF has been telling in hopes that they will find one I told
You are a liar Sophie Starsparrow. You have been behaving precisely like an Amarrian Nationalist here.
The quotes you reference all relate to John Revenent's statement in local that simple wasn't good enough to convince the Star Fraction of his severing of bonds with the CVA. And no surprise really since the alliance description of I-RED still boasts:
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Ishuk-Raata is currently involved in the protection of the Soveriegn Space in Providence as well as looking over Ishukone and Caldari State intressts in the Shintaht Solar System.
And several of the current diplomat team of I-RED have "CVA friendly" proudly displayed in there biographies. (Marrano Cardosa, Qui Tzar, both of the Revenent Defence Coperation R.D.C) and other corporations of I-RED have no problem describing themselves as "CVA friendly" at the corp level (Construction Cabal for example)
The Cosmopolite has listed a detailed post (that you completely ignore) listing John Revenent doing anything but disavowing his contacts with CVA and even beating himself on the breast in shame at not being able to defend them well enough!
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There are 6 minutes between the killmails. I was not given safe passage there, I made my own way in, and I was not given safe passage back.
Why did you go back through 0.0 rather than directly to lowsec via the Assah gate?
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You say I earned your respect by honouring the duel but in the six minutes between the duel and losing my pod, I was insulted and harassed for my choice of ship name. A choice that is MINE, and we do not fight the Amarrians to give up such choices to those supposedly fighting for freedom.
You are a -10 enemy of the Star Fraction who wardecced us in support of CVA-friendly collaborators who we last formally encountered attacking our tower in Kamela. What did you expect would happen? A cup of tea and a biscuit?
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I am still being insulted, harassed, and slandered by your pilots while you cover up your lies with the more lies.
You are being insulted because you are a liar Sophie Starsparrow. Evidently and proven by the discussion on these forums.
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Why don't you just stop for a minute and actually contemplate the hole you've dug yourself?
The only people supporting I-RED in this matter are race traitors, confused nationalists who prefer to stand with slavers if it means shouting at anarchy and various pathetic forum posting proxies with neither name reputation, nor the ability to further their interests in space. Nobody we care about in the least is foolish enough to support the cringing apologist agenda of CVA lickspittals trying to creep out from the shadow of consequence.
You on the other hand have ensured there will be no meaningful diplomacy between I-RED and the Fraction without a full public denunciation of the CVA by John Revenent issued in direct unambiguous terms on this summit.
Until that point you (and they) will remain -10 targets of the Star Fraction for your past hostility against us and we will prosecute whichever future actions we find fitting at times and places of our choosing.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
It sounds to me like he was being a "free man" and speaking his heart versus what was "required of him".
No surprise that an Amarrian Slaver supports a collaborator with amarrian slavers though is it. His organization wanted a ceasefire and end to a war they started. Not too unusual for the other side to name terms for peace in these circumstances. He got the best terms imaginable that day at the memorial.
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While you're certainly within your rights to declare war on his corporation and shoot him because he didn't read your "Jade Constantine approved and certified apology" script it certainly does nothing for your stated cause of claiming individuals should be "free" and only serves to make you look like the village bully (again).
I love it when Amarrian slavers accuse me of bullying them. No really. It makes me hot.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/05/2010 17:05:00
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You are a liar Sophie Starsparrow.
Point to one.
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Originally by: Fridarey
He was told we wanted him to publicly sever ties with the CVA. He failed to do so...
A clear lie. Oh what the hell, lets go with another one...
Since John Revenent did not publicly sever ties with the CVA that night at the memorial and has never before or since looked like severing those ties you have made a clear lie on the record here Sophie Starsparrow.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I love it when Amarrian slavers accuse me of bullying them. No really. It makes me hot.
I'm officially Hiring Amarrians to accuse Jade of bullying them. Continuously.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
You know love, judging by the volume of weepy Amarrian nationalists spamming up our threads recently I almost thought you already had!
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Posted - 2010.05.10 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Syyl'ara
I see terrorists demanding capitulation and I see their target refusing to do so.
I applaud this. Even when the principle is one I agree with (or perhaps especially in this case), I consider such tactics to be among the most cowardly one can engage in.
The irony is that the target you are trying to defend is claiming that they did capitulate in order to try and claim we are wrongly punishing them. You are caught in an indefensible position here by the innept communication and debating skills of your paragons of nationalist fervour.
But as for demanding a slaver-collaborator publicly disavow an empire of slavers as a price for not being executed at a memorial I must confess I cannot understand your condemnation unless you also hold some slaver sympathies or business connection to old providence under the CVA.
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You keep trying to say John was lying, when really it comes down to the fact that you just didn't like his answer, it didn't fit your pre-defined terms. Like a 2-year old, when you didn't get your way, you retaliated.
If he'd refused terms and announced no capitulation and lets fight then so be it. We'd have killed him or kept him docked and matters continue. The reason these threads keep growing (and will continue to grow) is that I-RED is telling lies about what happened. They are telling lies about their previous statements, their supporters are telling lies about the argument and the environment is now full of various other people telling fibs from the sidelines.
What we do see clearly is that our direct action against a slaver collaborator at the memorial for a dead man has had precisely the effect we wanted. Nationalists come together when threatened by anarchists and we are seeing just how fragile the principles of even an Intaki (like yourself) can be when tested by the spectacle of a CVA-friendly Providence bullyboy executed in the midst of his own parade.
Show sympathy for the man all you like Syyl'ara, but at present it seems you like the sound of your own voice over anti-slavery issues. This whole spectacle was "propaganda of the deed" and its telling just how easily the coffee-shop liberalism of an Intaki voice turns to support of the slaver against the liberating fires of freespace radicalism.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Daemonde Ardishapur
But you're not a freedom fighter, and your organization acts just like the CVA that Star Fraction replaced and verbally demeans.
More lying from I-RED supporters. Its so easy to register a new Galnet posting identity these days isn't it? So convenient. Just a shame for you that its not quite so easy to make a cogent argument and find those "oh-so-tricky" thing like actual facts to support your slurred and half-formed little rants.
But I'll indulge you just this once "daemonde".
How precisely is the Star Fraction "like" the CVA?
(keep it simple)
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Posted - 2010.05.10 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Daemonde Ardishapur
snipped a load of complicated nonsense
I told you to keep it simple.
Try one line sentences and avoid questions.
How do you believe the Star Fraction is like the CVA?
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Posted - 2010.05.10 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Daemonde Ardishapur
I thought that was simple.
Star Fraction is like the Curatores Veritatis Alliance in many ways; thoughts, policies, and their consorting with slavers.
Well you are wrong in every respect.
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Posted - 2010.05.10 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Daemonde Ardishapur
No, you're wrong.
I see now that you are blind, and any numbers I hold in front of your blind eyes will go unnoticed.
Good day.
You didn't put any "numbers" in front of my face. You quoted three segments from the CVA manual and then accused my lover of being a slaver.
I told you that you were wrong in every respect.
I'll make it simple for you.
Here are 5 things the CVA are known for:
1. They support the Amarrian Empire
2. They support the institution of Slavery
3. They support the reclamation of Providence for Imperial Dominion
4. They maintain a central standings list of -10s that those who settle in their dominions must follow
5. They have a system of contracts "slave contracts" for their holders that detemine who can settle where and with what and which obligations they must take up in the service of their territory.
How are the Star Fraction "close" to the CVA on those items that the CVA are best known for?
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Posted - 2010.05.10 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Cosmo... Is The Star Fraction thus prepared to publically repudiate the slave owning, Amarr Empress supporting Blooder Sani Sabbik
She has told you many times to get up to date. Stop peddling the same old lies and expecting different answers to those you have received many times before.
But since the star fraction wasn't the organization going on bended knee to request a cessessation of war and hostile status from an entity it had aggressed then regretted the action, I hardly see why we should make any kind of statement at anyone's bequest this is certainly not a negotiation of equals and I-RED have no right to expect any kind of concession from us.
Our standings are our own affair as much as you'd dearly like to see it otherwise.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/05/2010 00:45:04
Originally by: Archbishop
I'm sure you'll dismiss me as usual and anyone else who points out your hypocrisy here. Anyone with a posting history is a "stalker" and anyone who has none is a "false-flag" thus you have a defense for everyone who posts something you don't like. But the truth will not be silenced and I'm pretty satisfied everyone here sees it.
You're right the truth will never be silenced, and thats why you and your little crew of galnet proxies will be busy long in the future trying to defend the indefensible and try to convince us that I-RED are not still in business with slavers. Oops, thats unless they've already made a press release discussing their next arrangement with Amarrian slavers - thats a bit inconvenient for your argument isn't it?
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Posted - 2010.05.11 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/05/2010 01:42:01
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
I'm not saying much because Jade has already demanded she be allowed the last word. And saying John didn't do something and you don't believe it or it wasn't good enough are very different things. All I have done is say Jade lied when she lied, and your pilots have begun slandering me and mine.
Thats just a repost of stuff you already claimed and we refuted entirely. You don't really have much credibility left at this point Sophie and just angrily posting the same chatlogs that show John Revenent failing to ask for a truce, disavow the CVA, or indeed undock "alone" (since he clearly had shield repping neutrals helping him) isn't improving your case.
Now you should probably shush because it seems I-RED is jumping back into bed with another set of Slavers in the Khanid Provincial Vanguard and everything you have attempted to say in their defense in both these threads is now revealed to be a ridiculous sham.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Actually I am reposting you calling me a liar
You are a liar.
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I told you very clearly at the start of this conflict that we declared war on Star Fraction because we felt they were sending a dangerous message to those on the Caldari side that might be swayed away from supporting the Amarr and slavery.
Ah so it's now our fault that I-RED are back to supporting slavers again! I see. How very convenient.
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And the aftermath? You slander a corp of freedom fighters. We have never defended I-Red.
Didn't you wardec us in support of them? See this is why you get a reputation for not even knowing the meaning of the word "truth".
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We have never flown with I-Red, or supported I-Red, in fact, we barely know them at all and had just begun talks with them.
And yet you interceded for them to ask us to remove our war against I-RED and you wardecced us to ram the message home. No support there. You pitiful lying dog.
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This issue has nothing to do with them in our opinion and everything to do with standing up for what's right.
Something you know precisely nothing about.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Daemonde Ardishapur
Answer 1: 'SF support the Amarrian Empire by purchasing goods from their markets.'
Didn't get past this one.
So SF are like the CVA because we buy things on Amarrian markets. I guess that means that the Amarrian Empire supports SF because they let us sell things? Taking that logic a bit further it means everybody supports everybody and all political difference is non-existant. Perhaps you should become a space nun rather than a galnet proxy? You seem better suited to it.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/05/2010 15:59:19
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
Actually, the thread keeps growing because you lie. I caught you in it. Now you lie more. Many people have said that no one has a spotless past but, If you can find one single piece of evidence in my history that shows any kind of ties with pirates or slavers I would surely
You wardecced the Star Fraction explicitly in support of I-RED alliance who have a history of working for the Slavers in Providence and have now gone on to announce they will be working with the Khanid Slavers in another part of space. That you cannot accept this immutable fact is evidence of your own apparent meltdown on any kind of logical communication. Now you're just standing there like a small child with your eyes streaming with tears mumbling "its not fair its not fair" and frankly its getting beyond embarrassing.
If you have an issue bring it in space. You have lost practically every shred of credibility you ever claimed over the course of this thread. Your only sympathizers here are ammatar, race-traitors, turncoats, ammarrian nationalists and then bottom-feeding scrapings of the galnet proxy gallery. This should tell you all you need to know about your position at this time.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/05/2010 16:37:37
Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow
No, as stated repeatedly, THIS is why we war dec'ed Star Fraction :
I say here and now, that any that wish to repudiate slavery and cut ties with those that support it will receive our protection without fear of being dictated to, or being placed under the heel of another Tyrant. Fire on us for that is you wish.
You wardecced the Star Fraction explicitly in support of I-RED alliance who have a history of working as paid bullyboy enforcers for the Slavers in Providence and have now gone on to announce they will be working with the Khanid Slavers in protection of the Kingdom-approved slave trade on the Khanid Frontier.
Your only sympathizers here are ammatar, race-traitors, turncoats, ammarrian nationalists and various bottom-feeding scrapings of the galnet proxy gallery. This should tell you all you need to know about the value of your position at this time.
Saying you wardecced an enemy of I-RED to try to convince I-RED not to be slavers is neither here nor there. You are either ridiculously naive and stupid, or simply as deceitful as those you seek alliance with. I-RED were, are and will remain -10 enemies of the Star Fraction for their past, present and future deeds. You wardecced the Fraction to try to get us to remove our wardec against them or give yourselves the chance of fighting in their defense had our recent military action continued.
Claiming you can wardec an organization of anti imperialist anti slaver anarchists to convince them to drop a wardec against amarrian collaborator slave trade enforcers and that somehow that doesn't = your alliance supporting Amarrian slavery is making you look utterly deceitful.
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Posted - 2010.05.11 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Goonswarm
Who?
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Posted - 2010.05.11 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf
Man, I am growing tired of this....
You can leave any time you choose. You can also stand up and do something about it if you truly believe the Star Fraction have done something you are offended by.
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First off Ms. Constantine, you keep rabbeling on about "race-traitors, Amarr Loyalists" and a whole bunch of drible about them being the only one posting on Gal-net. I'm sorry if suddenly because you screwed up and look horrible in front of all of New Eden and I am not supporting you as I once did before that I am suddenly lower than dirt and concidered a "proxy".
I stand by what we did 100% and we will be doing this kind of thing again and again and again in the future to demonstrate the vulnerabilty of nationalist/slaver collaborators in space. You try to speak for "new eden" but only ammatar, race-traitors, nationalist amarrians, galnet bottom-feeders and the usual pointless blowhard no presence in space nonsense is being represented here. I do consider you a pointless proxy because you represent nothing but your own greedy self-interest that led you to profiteer from old providence by turning a blind eye to the CVA's regime of social repression and mass slavery on the worlds under their control.
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I hate PIE, I have CVA, I am blue to CVA because I didnt go out of my way to shoot them when they themselves said they were not laying claim to null sec space and were allowing everyone to do as they pleased.
You ridiculous man. Honestly. If you are prepared to accept the political settlement of old providence simply because you were allowed to "do as you pleased" (as long as it meant not going against the interests of an imperialist slaver dominated government) then you are no friend of ours. You practised bending your knee and kissing Aralis at the ring-finger and turning your eyes from the human suffering under those stars and I spit on you.
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I dont support slavery, but I do agree that you went from being this great group of pilots fighting for injustice to a bunch of loud mouthed tyrants with delusions of grandure.
You simply mouth the latest Amarrian nationalist propaganda. I consider you worthless.
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Oh....and how do you expect to keep the blues that decide to come your way in space, safe from the pirates you have so happily and readily made allies with? Or do you truly expect a pirate to honour his word and keep out of your space?
Learn something of the political idealism of the Star Fraction before quoting from the Archbishop hymn book on Galnet deceit. Nice to see like so many galnet proxies on this thread you have removed your mask and showed pure Amarrian nationalist corruption beneath.
I hope have the opportunity to kill you soon dog.
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